Блек runtim3 - $8900. unacceptable work ethics, low quality work

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

claim to runtim3
user https://xss.pro/members/248849/
thread https://xss.pro/threads/66810/

first complaint: he claims that he will work 8-9 hours daily but secretly takes multiple projects at the same time, thus cheating his employers and stealing their time (and money). So he was working less than 50% of time I was paying him for.
proofs:
03.04 runtim3 sells some chrome extension https://xss.pro/threads/85117/
15.04 runtim3 asked about some windows registry https://xss.pro/threads/85958/
https://xss.pro/threads/87909/#post-612525 "Looking for a web developer to work on browser spreading pages"
14.05 runtim3 writes: "refuses to work with guarantor". this topic is deleted now but admin could check private messages: https://xss.pro/conversations/147624/
13.06 another user writes that they were working with runtim3 for the past 3 months https://xss.pro/threads/66810/#post-628656
also see this thread: https://forum.exploit.in/topic/223365/

second complaint: his code quality is below average, in our initial conversation I have said twice that I need a professional in C and he agreed to take my job, but then produced code of junior level or a beginner in C. also the work speed is subpar - runtim3 fixed one bug in 2 days which took me only 30 minutes and I am not a C programmer at all.
in the end I feel that my project is less than 50% complete and it will take a lot of time and money to finish it according to the initial Terms of Reference, and I do not want it to be finished by runtim3 because of low quality work.
I could share all source code and full history of changes with admin or if admin is not very good at C I allow to share the code with any trusted user who is expert in C language and could make an independent review.

I have paid runtim3 total $8900, given the above two claims I demand full moneyback

admin : for details please see conversations https://xss.pro/conversations/136059/ https://xss.pro/conversations/152128/

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

second complaint: his code quality is below average,

also I forgot to mention his constant lies. I have described one issue in the private conversation but runtim3 was lying all the way that it is a problem with my server or whatever else, despite it is clearly a problem with his code.

I could share all source code and full history of changes with admin or if admin is not very good at C I allow to share the code with any trusted user who is expert in C language and could make an independent review.

also I could provide access to 2 development servers which I was using for testing so admin or a trusted user could check themselves.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

first complaint: he claims that he will work 8-9 hours daily but secretly takes multiple projects at the same time, thus cheating his employers and stealing their time

I have got permission from a third party to share our conversation, so admin please also check this conversation which proves my claim: https://xss.pro/conversations/152285/

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

first complaint: he claims that he will work 8-9 hours daily but secretly takes multiple projects at the same time, thus cheating his employers and stealing their time

also please see this thread: https://forum.exploit.in/topic/223365/
it was created when runtim3 already worked for me, and there are reports of other people who ordered services from runtim3 while he was supposed to do work for me full time.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

I have read our conversations again, and given the constant blatant lies and bad words I received I have decided to put my generosity down and request a full moneyback instead of 50% I've thought at first.

 

[admin]

Как я и сказал вам в частном разговоре, я считаю требования Dread Pirate Roberts объективными. Ответчик не уделял достаточно времени проекту, брал другую работу, хотя договаривались об обратном. 50% - это честная компенсация за это. Полностью удовлетворяю просьбу заявителя. runtim3, прошу вернуть заявителю 4450$ в течении 3х дней.

As I told you privately, I consider Dread Pirate Roberts' claims to be objective. The defendant did not spend enough time on the project, took another job, although an other was agreed. 50% is fair compensation for that. runtim3, please return $4450 to the applicant within 3 days.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Как я и сказал вам в частном разговоре, я считаю требования Dread Pirate Roberts объективными. Ответчик не уделял достаточно времени проекту, брал другую работу, хотя договаривались об обратном. 50% - это честная компенсация за это. Полностью удовлетворяю просьбу заявителя. runtim3, прошу вернуть заявителю 4450$ в течении 3х дней.

As I told you privately, I consider Dread Pirate Roberts' claims to be objective. The defendant did not spend enough time on the project, took another job, although an other was agreed. 50% is fair compensation for that. runtim3, please return $4450 to the applicant within 3 days.

спасибо за решение, однако я прошу провести независимый аудит кода, предоставленного мне ответчиком, и по результатам этого аудита, который, я уверен, будет вынесен в мою пользу, я прошу сделать полный, а не частичный манибэк.

 

[runtim3]

Hello everyone, I will start by addressing the complaints Dread Pirate Roberts has laid against me. After which i will lay my own complaints against him.

First Complaint : he claims that he will work 8-9 hours daily but secretly takes multiple projects at the same time, thus cheating his employees and stealing their time (and money). So he was working less than 50% of time I was paying him for.

The terms of the agreement state that i will work 8-9 hours weekly and at the end of the week i must specify how many hours worked.

3. terms of payment:
3.1. the Contractor plans to work 5 days per week, about 8-9 hours daily, at the rate of $20/hour, and expects a weekly payment.
3.2. the exact amount of each payment shall be agreed between the Customer and the Contractor at the end of each week, depending on the amount of time the Contractor worked. The Customer and the Contractor agreed that the weekly payment shall be within $900 (9 hours * 5 days).

Typically speaking an office job will have you working 9-5 (8 hours). For someone who is unemployed and does not have office work 9 hours can easily be 6am-3pm, 7am-4pm, 8am-5pm, 9am-6pm the list is endless.
The agreement between Dread Pirate Roberts and I stated that there will be no work on the weekends, and i am free to substitute weekend work with hours i should have worked on the weekdays.

|2023-03-22T00:00:45|1|to|N---|ok I'll repost it to PM now
|2023-03-22T00:01:02|1|to|N---|you've just shown your profile yesterday
|2023-03-22T00:01:14|1|from|N---| i can maybe host private gittea but that wont be a problem. Also sometimes i can choose to work on weekends as replacements for weekdays. It is all dependent on me and my disposition.
|2023-03-22T00:01:27|1|to|N---|I mean that even the "private" repository on github leaks the source code to Microsoft
|2023-03-22T00:01:39|1|from|N---| i dont use github for work of this manner.
|2023-03-22T00:01:47|1|from|N---| yes

Also i will like you all to understand that the terms of work between and other people is private business but the nature of the tasks is what you should take note of.
They have all been simple work that involved creating of webpages, creation of checkers and other tasks that are completed mostly in a couple of hours. If there have been any tasks of serious complexity the involved parties have been made to understand that my partner will handle the tasks or have given a lengthy deadline that allows me to work in my free time.

In multiple cases, i have also expressed to Dread Pirate Roberts that my character does not allow me to leave tasks unfinished, hence i ended up working through the weekends. Most of which went unpaid.

|2023-04-07T00:31:10|1|to|N---|how much do you want for this week and which payment method you prefer?
|2023-04-07T00:35:18|1|from|N---| as agreed, i actually worked 9 hours plus daily even worked a saturday but thats on me cause i was headfucked by a lot of stuff in the code base

Again

|2023-04-23T04:33:28|1|to|N---|so which is your expected payment for this week?
|2023-04-23T04:33:47|1|from|N---| ive put in lot of hours
|2023-04-23T04:33:58|1|from|N---| i wish there was some way to check in and check out
|2023-04-23T04:34:03|1|from|N---| ill do the maths
|2023-04-23T04:36:32|1|to|N---|i've made the last payment on 14th, one whole week passed, so I assume it should be 800-900
|2023-04-23T04:38:51|1|from|N---| yh sadly i lose, cause im stuck debugging on weekends but fuck it. Hold on to it, ill tell u when its needed actually. We can set this at 900 for this week.

I have personally been worried about the question of how to track hours worked, to answer this question i referred to the initial terms of the work

terms of work
2.2. the Customer must acknowledge the progress report within 1 day after receiving, if the Customer is not satisfied with the report they must notify the Contractor and the Contractor must answer any question arised and make reasonable effort to correct/fulfill the report.
2.3. if the report is not corrected/fulfilled within the next week until the next report, and if the Customer is not satisfied with 2 reports in a row, the Customer is allowed to postpone the payment or to fully terminate this agreement

This agreement states that there will be weekly reports given to Dread Pirate Roberts. This reports will show my progress throughout the week. There have been 11 reports submitted to Dread Pirate Roberts and in all 11 reports submitted, he never once complained about my progress. As stated in the agreement he had the right to terminate my work if he was unsatisfied which goes to say he was not unsatisfied through 11 reports submitted, Not by my progress at least.

Now i will ask Dread Pirate Roberts If in 11 reports you have not once complained that you did not think i was putting in the required hours. Why do you bring this up now? The terms of the agreement gave you window to make such a complaint at the submission of the weekly report.

I will also note that the terms of the agreement did not in anywhere state that i am not allowed to take on multiple jobs. The terms of the agreement only stated that that i am required to work 8-9 hours every "weekday". So what i do with my remainder time is not in anyway related to you neither does it concern you. The terms of my business with others remains the terms of my business with others and the terms of my business with you are simply the terms of my business with you.

second complaint: his code quality is below average, in our initial conversation *****************************
I will first quote a statement by Dread Pirate Roberts after i submitted the code report with number 5 appended

|2023-05-27T04:50:06|1|to|N---|found a mistype
|2023-05-27T04:55:33|1|to|N---|everything looks good, seems that you will finish everything soon, this is nice

If you were not satisfied with the code progress why was this statement made ?
The accusations against my skill level are baseless because you had the opportunity to review my work every week. If you were not satisfied why did you continue to pay me and work with me. I have worked with a lot of people who can attest to my skill level but admittedly in the chats above, the work was very complex and even required me to work extra unbilled hours

This is the last payment made to me by Dread Pirate Roberts. After which the testing period began.

I demand that Dread Pirate Roberts pay me $1260 for the time worked in testing and debugging.
I will also ask that a moderator who is experienced in work with linux take a good look at the code and gauge the overall progress. Are we to make a decision based of the words of someone who is admittedly not well versed in programming ?

I also demand that Dread Pirate Roberts issue an official apology to me for defamation of character.
This is an attempt by Dread Pirate Roberts to get free code. The product is complete.

 

[admin]

спасибо за решение, однако я прошу провести независимый аудит кода, предоставленного мне ответчиком, и по результатам этого аудита, который, я уверен, будет вынесен в мою пользу, я прошу сделать полный, а не частичный манибэк.

Качество кода в данном случае не важно. Вы брали человека на работу, а не покупали продукт. Поэтому речь может идти о частичной компенсации (только из-за факта, что он, помимо работы у вас, брал другую работу и не уделял достаточно времени вашему проекту).

 

[runtim3]

The quality of the code in this case is not important. You hired a person, not bought a product. Therefore, we can talk about partial compensation (only due to the fact that, in addition to working for you, he took other work and did not devote enough time to your project).

If enough time was not devoted. Why was there no complaint through 11 reports sent to him? In his own words he admitted that the work is almost done as I have highlighted above. I do not believe I owe him a penny and ask that he pays the amount he owes me for the time devoted to testing and debugging.

I am expected to work only 9 hours a day for 5 days. This leave ample time to deal with small projects. There is no case here from his part.

The only way to truly determine this case is a code review by a neutral expert on the topic. Everything else is inadequate.

Any programmer on the forums knows that majority of the tasks requested are not unique. They can almost always be solved in a couple of hours especially when there is experience in producing similar products.

 

[runtim3]

admin please refer to the chat logs that was sent to you privately, the entire conversation is in English so I hope you can understand.The entire conversation is clearly expressed there. The topic of whether or not I worked 9 hours every five days could’ve only been judged during my weekly reports to Dread Pirate Roberts I sent him 11 reports and he did not once raised the topic. What I do with my free time does not concern him and should not even be mentioned atall. Clearly It did not affect the progress. He cited himself that the work is almost done after the last review before the testing period. Now he claims again the work is less than 50% done. Clearly you know nothing about programming and again as I have already said the only fair way to solve this case is to allow an unbiased third party review the code.
Dread Pirate Roberts is trying to avoid paying for the testing and debugging period.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Typically speaking an office job will have you working 9-5 (8 hours). For someone who is unemployed and does not have office work 9 hours can easily be 6am-3pm, 7am-4pm, 8am-5pm, 9am-6pm the list is endless.

another person who decided to stay anonymous told me that they hired you for a full time job, admin could read it in a private conversation here https://xss.pro/conversations/152285/
also I've provided plenty of examples when you was writing about some work in other different threads, or some other people reporting that they have worked with you while you was supposed to work on 2x full time jobs - mine and that other guy.
so you was working on 2x full time jobs and taking multiple simple tasks in the spare time, running 3+ projects? weren't you eating and sleeping all these days?

11 reports

i think there were only 6 reports, and then just real time chat discussing bugs and problems.

my great mistake was that during the first reports I did not try to compile your code, and was only checking the git diff to see the code logic - is it going according to the Terms of Reference or not.
as the code logic seemed good to me, I wrote that

everything looks good, seems that you will finish everything soon

(note that "seems that you will finish everything soon" is not equal to saying "the work is almost done", so this is yet another lie from runtim3 )

only visually reviewing the code logic was my mistake, because I have first tried to compile and run your code too late - if I have done it earlier I would have stopped paying you earlier and would have lost much less money. I understood how badly I have mistaken only when I've started testing the code you've said was almost complete, and I've realized how far from complete the project is.
hence I would ask any trusted user - experienced C programmer - to step up and confirm my accusations by independently reviewing the code and comparing it with the ToR.

concerning the accusations about your skills level - I've described a simple issue in the private conversation https://xss.pro/conversations/152128/
the issue is clearly with your code but you was lying all the way that the issue with my server or whatever else. there could be only two reasons for this:
- either you do not understand what happens in your own code (now I seriously suspect that you was giving my work to some third party as a subcontractor),
- or this is a blatant lie in hope to defend yourself.
if an independent expert would review it they will definitely tell that my accusations are correct.

and if I am not a C programmer it does not mean I know nothing about programming at all and could not distinguish good code from bad code.
your code is definitely bad quality, which will be confirmed by any experienced programmer.

 

[runtim3]

All other tasks taken on were project based, my hours were not paid for. A project was given, after which i gave a time frame with which i can complete. There was no one else paying for hourly work and i ask for whoever you have conversed with to show proof that i received payment for hourly work from them. At the end of the day all other projects have been either completed or terminated due to inability to complete or dedicate. It is well within my rights to execute projects in my free time which was reflected in the extended time frames given to all other projects.

The terms allowed you to review the code reports upon submission and if valid you can pay. Those were the terms of the agreement. I am not responsible for whatever epiphany you suddenly hit after more than 10 weeks of working together neither am i liable for your negligence in adhering to the terms. The terms state here clearly that

2.2. the Customer must acknowledge the progress report within 1 day after receiving, if the Customer is not satisfied with the report they must notify the Contractor and the Contractor must answer any question arised and make reasonable effort to correct/fulfill the report.
2.3. if the report is not corrected/fulfilled within the next week until the next report, and if the Customer is not satisfied with 2 reports in a row, the Customer is allowed to postpone the payment or to fully terminate this agreement, the final decision shall be made in the arbitrage by the XSS escrow.

You acknowledged my reports without complaints of progress. You acknowledged my reports without complaints that it did not look like enough hours were put in.
Hence you paid, so why am i being held liable for the payments received for hours worked ? Everything you have done now is outside the terms of agreement.
These terms were written by you, signed on the XSS forum. These are the terms that define our work relationship.

You also said that you took note of the git diff. This right here is admittance that the git diff was satisfiable progress in terms of hours put into the work.

and was only checking the git diff to see the code logic

In your own words above you have acknowledged that another 5 reports were generated in attempts to work on your issues

i think there were only 6 reports, and then just real time chat discussing bugs and problems.

This is admittance that time was also spent in testing and debugging is it not ? For me to generate another 5 reports to fit your needs, time was most definitely spent.

Why have i not being paid for that time ?

I have written to you the terms for a peaceful resolution privately, hopefully you will accept and we can end this public display.

Else i await the independent programmer who will review the code progress and I demand payment for my time spent on debugging and testing.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

the git diff clearly show that you were not working these 5-6 days 8-9 hours a day you were claiming
I was making notes of this from the very first week and then every new diff I saw. I did not complain to you about it because I have thought you might have some problems or otherwise busy IRL and I was hoping all that time that you will catch up later.

This is admittance that time was also spent in testing and debugging is it not ? For me to generate another 5 reports to fit your needs, time was most definitely spent.

I do confirm that I have not paid you since 26 May, week 10.
however...

Why have i not being paid for that time ?

all the time since then was fixing the problems with compiling your code, not testing how it actually works (the actual testing began only around 5th Jun)
starting from 2023-05-30 we were only trying to compile the damn code going through endless warning and build errors, which could mean that you did not try to compile the code yourself before sending it to me. should I really pay for a not compiling code?

anyway,

admin прошу отложить решение на 1 день - runtim3 предложил мне завершить проект без дополнительных оплат, доделав его полностью "по всем моим пожеланиям". завтра я соберу список всех текущих проблем и пунктов ТЗ, которые ещё нужно доделать, по списку прикину более точно, сколько времени это может занять, и напишу, готов ли я тратить это время.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

all the time since then was fixing the problems with compiling your code, not testing how it actually works (the actual testing began only around 5th Jun)

*all the time since than was mostly fixing the problems with compiling

- one week spent on fixing problems with compilation, and one more week was spent on actual testing and fixing the bugs.
so - I do confirm that I did not pay runtim3 for the last two weeks - one questionable and another which revealed how far the project is from being complete.

 

[runtim3]

*all the time since than was mostly fixing the problems with compiling

- one week spent on fixing problems with compilation, and one more week was spent on actual testing and fixing the bugs.
so - I do confirm that I did not pay runtim3 for the last two weeks - one questionable and another which revealed how far the project is from being complete.

My friend, my father, my mentor, my brother. I look forward to a peaceful resolution. I am willing to put everything aside as I said in the private conversation. Let us work towards a peaceful resolution, so that you are happy. I will be waiting for your message tomorrow. Maybe someday we will drink vodka

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

admin прошу отложить решение на 1 день - runtim3 предложил мне завершить проект без дополнительных оплат, доделав его полностью "по всем моим пожеланиям". завтра я соберу список всех текущих проблем и пунктов ТЗ, которые ещё нужно доделать, по списку прикину более точно, сколько времени это может занять, и напишу, готов ли я тратить это время.

прошу отложить ещё на один день - я ещё не полностью проверил софт и подготовил не все данные для отчёта.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

I'm sorry that it takes more time than expected. I have not tested everything yet, however I have collected some significant claims already.
I will send them to our private conversation with admin and runtim3 now.

In case we decide to invite an independed reviewer, I have collected all diffs between releases I've got from runtim3, and a short installation manual with configuration files and test scripts. I will share everything in the private conversation too.
There is also a full source code in "src-latest.zip", I want runtim3 to check it to verify is it really the latest one, because I might have mistaken as somewhy this code does not work now LOL despite it worked before (see claim # 2 in the private conversation)

again, I did not test everything thoroughly yet and did not collect all claims yet, and will try to finish everything tomorrow.
But the claims I've collected are large enough already so I believe that if the development speed will be the same as before then these claims will be addressed in 1-2 more months. And judging by the previous experience I believe I will find more bugs and will fill more claims in these things I still need to test, which will add yet another 1-2 months to the project completion time, bringing it to 2-4 months total.

I think I should spend some extra money to hire someone else because it will be better for my nerves and sanity.


admin - прошу прочитать предварительные претензии, я сейчас отправлю их в личку. прошу не передавать пока исходники третьим лицам, мы договоримся об этом в личке, и их сначала должен проверить runtim3.
ну и ещё раз прошу отложить решение на день

 

[admin]

Ок. Принял.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

I have checked almost everything I planned before, and sent the results to our private conversation.
a public part of it:

perhaps asking for a 100% moneyback was excessive because _some_ work was indeed performed. on the other hand, my time was wasted and the product I've got from runtim3 does not work - the primary functions of the product do not work at all, or work but not as indended.

I see an only "free" solution to this dispute as follows: if runtim3 brings the project to a working final state according to the initial Terms of Reference, within the next 10 days (2 weeks)
"working final state" means runtim3 must resolve all my current claims + fix all current and future bugs that will arise during the tests.
if he will not fix everything within 10 business days then I will ask for a 50% moneyback as I wanted in the very beginning - $4450

nevertheless I believe that a better solution would be to pay the moneyback right now to save our time and nerves - more on that in the private conversation - as I do not believe that all bugs will be resolved soon and I do not want to spend another 2-3 months on this.

waiting for the final words from runtim3 and final solution from admin.