Do you also feel alone in these communities?

[Niteks3]

I don't usually talk about these things, but since I'm anonymous here, I've been up all night thinking, fuck it lol

Do you feel lonely? I basically make a living out of exploiting loopholes, running scams, hacking into companies, selling services and everything in an illegal or unethical way. Let's say that all in all, I might have zeroed out the cyber criminal code. I do this day and night, every day, you could say it's my job. I can't tell anyone about my "achievements", not even my family, friends or girlfriend. I barely leave the house, let alone my room. I don't have much social contact. I can't create a connection with anyone in the environments I live in because, as well as being against basic opsec, I know that sooner or later they'll use something against me and/or it won't be genuine. I can't let these things out even with a professional because they might report you to the authorities if you confess to a crime you've done or will do, no matter how deep it is. Lately (almost the last 2 years) I've been talking almost everyday to GPT4 (something tells me it's not good). I often feel empty even though I have all the money and power in the world and I ask myself: Do "my coworkers" feel this way or am I being too dramatic?

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

is becoming a white gray hat hacker an option?

 

[ZakonUlits]

I can discuss all these matters with my virtual partners, whom I trust well. We also talk about life with them, although this somewhat contradicts opsec (strongly contradicts, yes, we admit). But a healthy balance is needed here. Otherwise, you can go crazy.

It is necessary to fill real life with some kind of activity. After all, interacting with other people does not mean sharing the dark side of life. And to share the light, it must be there, otherwise you will have nothing to share.

Therefore, be sure to find a hobby in reality. Boxing, football, hockey, whatever. At least knitting.

 

[ZakonUlits]

gray hacker

извините, прям руки зачесались и напросилось сделаться)

 

[Niteks3]

I can discuss all these matters with my virtual partners, whom I trust well. We also talk about life with them, although this somewhat contradicts opsec (strongly contradicts, yes, we admit). But a healthy balance is needed here. Otherwise, you can go crazy.

And how do you separate it? I've naturally created (or perhaps tried to create) a connection with the people I work with, but it always seems to get corrupted in the middle. It's as if you no longer know whether they're your friend or your business partner. Apart from the times when the relationship sounds superficial, as if the person is only there putting up with you talking to you because they have a greater interest, be it a tool, a 0day, money or (sounding overbearing, but honest) you being indispensable in the team.

And to share the light, it must be there, otherwise you will have nothing to share.

Yes, perhaps you're right. My way of thinking has changed in recent months. After a lot of personal reflection and a lot of chatting with GPT4 without ethical filters, I've come to the conclusion that you attract what you transmit. I know, it's very cliché, but if I expect people to, I don't know, like me, call me to events, include me in their routine/genuinely care, there has to be a reason, an interest on their part in me and that's not necessarily a bad thing. They may be interested in me because they find me good company, a good listener, funny, etc.

I don't know if it's naïve to think so, because in recent years people have only approached me wanting something superficial in return, like money, technical help, getting things for free (I remember when I found a loophole in the self-service checkouts at a local supermarket here and was able to get anything for free without suspicion. Then I felt I was only invited to parties because the guys and I got in for free if we washed down the drinks. I'd be there, I'd have a bit of fun, some girls would ask to stay with me, I'd feel good, but it sucked when it was time to go home. That's just one of examples, but many things have happened in more or less the same context. I'd rather spend hours walking around aimlessly with someone, without even having to talk, than go home) and things like that.

So, you see, it's not because "people are selfish and delude themselves in order to achieve their goals" (although there is some truth in that), but because that's all I have to offer.

What fucks me up is: To change that, do I have to pretend to be naïve like a 14-year-old? Pretend to trust people even though I don't? Go to the gym every day? I don't know what I have to do to fill the void and reconnect with people

 

[Niteks3]

is becoming a white gray hat hacker an option?

It's a good suggestion, but how does it work? It looks to me like a blackhat wanting to feel good about himself

 

[ZakonUlits]

talking to you because they have a greater interest, be it a tool, a 0day, money or (sounding overbearing, but honest) you being indispensable in the team.

I communicate with those with whom I started from the very bottom. We all know what poverty is, what hunger and poverty are. We've been through ups and downs together. And now we are a family, united by our history and work. We continue to move together like a real family.

 

[Niteks3]

I don't mean that u should buy rolex and drive around with lambo that has rare car plate

I guarantee I won't buy a Rolex! The rare plate, on the other hand, is a delicate subject... lol

you could start with gym, learning different languages, dancing, playing piano and etc.

That way seems right. Maybe I need to take some time for myself and have another hobby (preferably in person) that isn't computer-based

Also talking with gpt is bad for your opsec

I'm cautious about how and when I make contact with the AI, even though I don't think it's necessary, not least because I'm feeding the AI my melancholy and not a plan to blow up the White House. But you're right, it's opsec suicide for me to tell a robot that has a partnership with Microsoft about my life and my problems lol

 

[D3buG]

If the relationship allows, then you can talk with your partners. This is still not the best way out, because you should always remember about safety and not say too much to your interlocutor. After all, you don't know who he is.
For most of my journey, I had a few online friends with similar interests. They were not my commercial partners. We learned technology together. Each of us did criminal things online to make money, but separately. Relatively recently, contacts were lost and I felt lonely. It’s a very strange feeling when you learned something new and wanted to share it, but not with anyone. I tried to keep something like a diary and write down new knowledge there (it’s called a “knowledge base”), but I got tired of keeping it. Besides, it didn't help much.
The best way out is to lead a double life, as grozdniyandy said. There are some problems if someone asks about your interests and income, but they are always easily resolved.

 

[Infernolord]

Personally, I don't think we can all be in any forum. The main thing is to have a common ideal. Ism. Target. Hobby...... We are all family. Hahahaha. Hello my dear brothers and sisters, I love you

 

[Str0ng]

I don't usually talk about these things, but since I'm anonymous here, I've been up all night thinking, fuck it lol

Do you feel lonely? I basically make a living out of exploiting loopholes, running scams, hacking into companies, selling services and everything in an illegal or unethical way. Let's say that all in all, I might have zeroed out the cyber criminal code. I do this day and night, every day, you could say it's my job. I can't tell anyone about my "achievements", not even my family, friends or girlfriend. I barely leave the house, let alone my room. I don't have much social contact. I can't create a connection with anyone in the environments I live in because, as well as being against basic opsec, I know that sooner or later they'll use something against me and/or it won't be genuine. I can't let these things out even with a professional because they might report you to the authorities if you confess to a crime you've done or will do, no matter how deep it is. Lately (almost the last 2 years) I've been talking almost everyday to GPT4 (something tells me it's not good). I often feel empty even though I have all the money and power in the world and I ask myself: Do "my coworkers" feel this way or am I being too dramatic?

You are not the only one, although unlike you I still don't have much money, but if you have it, believe me, you can change a lot about yourself.
I always spend it at home, I never leave here, I only think about making money, and then do something that I have in mind, and it has nothing to do with money in a certain way, I even had strange nightmares, When I see people who are not family I am very afraid of them as if they were going to kill me even if it is not done.

but hey, I'm still not crazy :/

 

[rwxrwx]

Where was your best living experiences and why? Personally, I had very good time Prague, Paris, Barcelona ))

 

[swwwheart]

Don't get it twisted, work is work don't get your feelings involved. People that get sentimental or let their ego get the best of them get caught.

Actual advice:
If you feel your situation is stable maybe you can retire, or at least have a long term goal. Aimless people tend to get depressed.

 

[voldemort]

Be Elliot in the morning and in the evening turn into Mr.Robot ,and be aware Elliot doesn't know what Mr.Robot did last night

 

[SGL]

Start cultivating a hobby. Adopt a dog. Go to a walk every day with him/her. Find some occupation in your life that doesn't have anything to do with technology.

If you are sitting all day in front of a PC computer, all your opsec measures are useless, because you are not as free as you suppose.

And don't talk about your problems with that crap of ChatGPT. You will find best answers in the conversation with any person, or even with your adopted dog.

 

[1922lokomotiv]

Get up early every day and take the sunlight, it saved me from many tough times, the most important is your overall lifestyle, it's fundamental, and it will generate positive outputs in all sides of your daily life, which will allow you to see and try new things naturally without forcing yourself, we are human beings, and social contact is inherent in our instinct, we are not made to be cyber housewives, many do not understand it or little, that is why many of us are going or could go crazy

 

[300andrew]

Is good to know lots of us feel this way,my advice is this:
1)Always have 2 personalities,one is online you and then your offline you.You must learn to separate the 2 personalities and fulfil their needs.
2)Spend atleast 45 minutes in a day exercising(jumping rope or whatever that suites you)
3)Get a pet(cat) or dog,you will start to be able to transmit real love without getting betrayed.In this dark world if you show your friends or families real love they will expose you.
4)Join book club.This is very important to take your mind off the pc.You can start to read practically about anything.Maybe 30 to 45 minutes in a day .
5)Go on vacation or just visit another city.Go around spend the weekend offline but avoid revealing or talking about your online shit to anyone offline.

 

[bablodalo]

Start cultivating a hobby. Adopt a dog. Go to a walk every day with him/her. Find some occupation in your life that doesn't have anything to do with technology.

If you are sitting all day in front of a PC computer, all your opsec measures are useless, because you are not as free as you suppose.

And don't talk about your problems with that crap of ChatGPT. You will find best answers in the conversation with any person, or even with your adopted dog.

Completely agree on this one with SGL. This way of living is not for everyone and it is indeed hard but don't close yourself in as eventually you will get more lonely, paranoid and sad, basically become a slave to your PC, your freedom will be completely gone and in the end of the day, would all of that be worth it when you are not happy?

Fully supportive of having a person you can trust to share your problems with, it's actually a necessity , a pet does the work as well. Everything is better that ChatGPT. Don't let yourself go down into that rabbit hole as the way out is even harder and it will bring you nothing good.

 

[glazik]

Sounds like you need a holiday, man. Just like a normal 9-5, you can get burned out.

I can't tell anyone about my "achievements", not even my family, friends or girlfriend.

I know that feel. A lot of my hobbies are related to computers and I don't know anyone who likes them. Thankfully, I've got other hobbies such as music, going out with friends, exploring nature, raising weird animals and camping.

Not to be an armchair psychologist, but maybe you are feeling depressed? I know how difficult it is to change habits in a bad depression so just make little steps at a time, bro.

You might not want to at first, but doing some gentle exercise will make you feel better. Go for a walk, or run, or cycle. Walk to a random restaurant you've never tried before, have a meal and drink a beer. I love listening to audiobooks on my walks.

Don't worry bro, you'll make it!

 

[2ccsegh2t]

this is a business like any other business.. i don't take it a dark side of my life.. banks fuck people all the time and 100% legit.. why cant u.

Just don't self-snitch.. that is all it takes to take u down. live your life. help people in needed and fuck the rest of the world.

What the worst can happen!